How many players can SS support in multiplayer?

[neko]

Hey all,

I've been playing SS a little online with around 4-5 people each time, and have been very impressed by the massive size of the maps (particularly the last level).

I was wondering how many players can SS support in deathmatch alone (not coop)? I was thinking that SS would make for a great platform for an action/realism mod like CS but with such large open areas you'd have to support a large number of players (say 32 people per side).

thoughts?
neko

[booger]

I think I remember hearing 16 people.  If I'm wrong, someone let me know.

[InSaNe]

LArge # of players= Very High Pings and lag

IVe noticed, with most servers that have 6 players, pings are usually 275+ for me, which is very high.  Im on a cable modem.

[Boxcarwilli]

The reason why is there arent any dedicated servers running yet, the current servers are all running off of cable and DSL connections.

[neko]

16 players! how stupid is that!

What's the point of writing an amazing game engine if you can only support 16 players online? Bah!

If they don't address that and increase the max players to something more current, like 64 (What tribes2 will be) then I don't see any future in Serious Sam as a mod engine.

neko.

[Htown]

try telling that to the 10-12 mod teams already working

[Boxcarwilli]

Can you please list those teams that your speaking of, I have only heard of 3 that are "Serious" about it and only 2 of them have sites.  I know it takes time, but, I have only heard of a few.

[IdleWild]

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[Boxcarwilli]

Thats not good enough, you forgot the URL's. :)

Thanks BTW.

[IdleWild]

URLs are on the Planet Serious home page where it says community mods. I just copy and pasted from there. ;)

[Boxcarwilli]

Damm, I guess I need to back up a few pages out of the forum and into the main site every now and then.  Why arent they hosted mods????  Youll never get a full blown PlanetSerious if vesto doesnt start hosting those sites.

[Sinistar]

Do you think they could up the maxplayers to like 32 players in a future patch?

[Boxcarwilli]

That would be a plus.

[neko]

32 is not enough for this generation of technology. Halflife supports 32 players (I have a local server that runs de_dust with 32 players) just fine, why can't serious sam do this and beyond?

Dammit I want 100 players on 1 server supported, so a mod could be written for sam that can handle such large numbers.

now that would rock !

neko

[booger]

Hold on, I'm not sure if it supports 16 as a max or more.  That's just a number that I think I remember hearing.  Before y'all get your panties in a bunch about this, someone should verify the information.  For all I know it may support 128 players.

[Boxcarwilli]

I just asked them this in a new topic in the tech forum
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~serioussam/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=8&topic=79

[Formatter]

HL got a good netcode in it..

Croteam need do some work on the netcode

[Decoy]

HL has a good netcode!!!! LOL!!!

Sure if you wanna be shot 3 seconds after you pass a wall even though you have a 30 ping. Then by all means HL's netcode is awesome.

[IdleWild]

I played multiplayer tonight for the first time and it didnt seem so bad to me. I was able to shoot and move accurately on my trusty cable. ;)

[BulleT]

Sorry man, but i can't imagine any of good use for a 32+ Players ability in a FPS game by today !

[Boxcarwilli]

BTW Page 16 of the Manual says 16 Players max for Multiplayer.

[neko]

Bullet: that's an incredibly short sighted statement - I feel sorry for you. Wait till tribes2 takes hold of the internet community and see what you think then.

http://www.tribes2.com
http://www.station.sony.com/planetside/

Decoy: I can't be bothered refuting your statement about HL netcode, since you offer no constructive reasoning.

Lastly - can anyone tell me my original question? If I run a dedicated deathmatch server (for example) - how many people can play on my server? I thought Croteam read these forums?

Boxcar - cheers - I'd like to see what the Serious Engine can handle (players wise). What can you specify with a dedicated server?



(Edited by neko at 8:14 am on April 4, 2001)

[Boxcarwilli]

Tribes 2??? I just played a game with over 40 and the server max was 64.  Flying around in troop transports is something else.

[Innova]

- how many people can play on my server? I thought Croteam read these forums?

Boxcar - cheers - I'd like to see what the Serious Engine can handle (players wise). What can you specify with a dedicated server?

I believe 16 in Coop and 25 in Fragmatch (there abouts).
The degree of playability at these settings depends on
the servers net connection/system and your net connection.
Does that answer your question?

[MetalDragon]

I believe that the croteam guys will be able to tune up their netcode. Imagine a good mod with realistic physics, nice graphics and lots of players...let´s say 64 or so... I think that this would be an argument for many people to play SS and it`s mods.
Btw.. I am curious about the guys of Operation Flashpoint...they seem to have a good Netcode (if you believe the facts).

But croteam will do it`s best to stay playable with their game , I`m sure.
Greetings,
http://www.thefrag.de/lms/mdragonweb.jpg

[zcsGD007]

nguk have a fragmatch and a scorematch up, each of which can hold 16 players.
for dedicated servers, they rox ur socks off to :)
have seen delta force 3 with 50 players all on together, and the lag, even on cable was incredible. not sure if it needs work on the netcode, or how ur comp actually plays/sees the game tho.

[Lupo]

Neko are you a troll? I don't understand why you want to put down Serious Sam becuse it does not fit YOUR idea of the amount of players that "ought" to be on a fragmatch server. If you like those other games fine. Go play them. I happen to like fragmatches with under 10 players and really only 4-6, for me, is the sweet spot.

I can undestand your original post, and even your comment (your second post), but your third post is pure sour grapes. There is more interest in Serious Sam as a mod platform then your feeble little mind can grasp judging by the number of projects that are going. And, I would point out that fragmatch is NOT the end all of multiplayer anyway. We over here in the SS community have another little multiplyer game that seems to be quite popular. A game so generously provided by and breathed new life into by Croteam. It's called coop. Does Tribes 2 or Half-Life have coop? Are we panning either game for not having coop?

Dude, don't come into our house trolling. I can appreciate your opinion but before you go off on a rant about how bad things are with Serious Sam understand your in the house of the Serious Sam fans. How about I come into your house and p**s on your carpet. The limit is 16 deal with it! If croteam chooses to change that in future patches or in a mission pack, then so be it. Is it ok to ask? Sure it is. Is it ok to troll? Yep, but you get replies like this one. Comes with the territory.

--Lupo

[TiTaN]

U are all missing 1 point(except Lupo;))

Great let Sam support 128 plasyers, let it be awsome netcode, but who will fill those 128 player gaps, i myself dont like fragmatch, i play coop, and 128player coop.isnt much, so 8player coop is perect.
128 Fragmatch may seem cool, but what is the point? If there are no players, and the maps are adupted to it....its seemingly useless.
Look at the situation now, 89 servers, roughtly 14-20 are running Fragmatches and scorematches, the rest are coop etc.
Looking from top to bottom:
0/8
2/8
0/8
0/8
0/16
2/2
2/4
4/4
8/16
8/8
0/2
0/4
1/8
0/16

u get the picture, alot of servers are empty, why do we need support for 64 players, if there are none? Well maybe they will hear about sam, speaking on gamespy with 3 guys, they said:
How Can SS be good, its made in Croatia.

Who cares where the product is made, as long as its good, ppl will play it, but the barier for the stupid ass ppl who think what isnt made in America is bull, well u get my point, so the community will never be as big as UT or Q3......

Hmm..Ovr and out

[Lupo]

Yo Titan, do you think we killed this thread? Heh heh heh.


On another note, folks we gotta stop feeding the trolls. You know what happens when they get used to people feeding them don't ya? They keep comin' around. So, don't feed the trolls! Pass it on,

--Lupo