[Misc] How modifiable is SS2?

ReindeerFlotilla · 11-27-2016, 07:02 PM

I read it's not possible to create new weapons in SSHD/BFE and that you can only really modify existing ones. I'm wondering if SS2 has any notable limitations when it comes to modding it?

I've seen mods for the game that add things like a knife to the game and dual wielding other weapons so I'm wondering if it would be possible to do things like reanimate the weapons or just add new ones entirely.

Discy · 11-28-2016, 03:47 AM

Dual wielding was a feature of Sam2 before release, but it still existed in the code base after release. It took coders little effort to bring it back with mods. I think the same restrictions apply to Sam2, but I'm not sure.

ReindeerFlotilla · 11-28-2016, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Discy

Dual wielding was a feature of Sam2 before release, but it still existed in the code base after release. It took coders little effort to bring it back with mods. I think the same restrictions apply to Sam2, but I'm not sure.

I have seen somewhat reanimated weapons for Serious Sam 2. Like someone for Serious Sam Forever ported the Shotgun from the original Xbox version of Sam. And a SPAS 12 mod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlIs4xGLHO4

Discy · 11-28-2016, 04:17 AM

Keep in mind though that Serious Sam: Forever used the Serious Sam 2 SDK to modify the game's code base just like InSamnity! 2. The SDK was never made available publicly and has never been made available for Sam HD. Without it your modding options are very limited.

ReindeerFlotilla · 11-28-2016, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Discy

Keep in mind though that Serious Sam: Forever used the Serious Sam 2 SDK to modify the game's code base just like InSamnity! 2. The SDK was never made available publicly and has never been made available for Sam HD. Without it your modding options are very limited.

Ah I see that makes sense. Which Sam games have had their SDK's released?

Discy · 11-28-2016, 05:30 AM

At this time only TFE Classic and TSE Classic. The engine source was also recently released for TSE Classic. The Serious Sam 2 SDK was privately given to a few individuals/teams around 2007-2008 to create mods, but not publicly (not sure why it was never publicly released).

Because of the tight Steam integration and less constricted modding abilities out of the box, nothing after Sam2 has had the SDK and engine source released and I doubt Croteam will do that.

ReindeerFlotilla · 11-28-2016, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discy

Keep in mind though that Serious Sam: Forever used the Serious Sam 2 SDK to modify the game's code base just like InSamnity! 2. The SDK was never made available publicly and has never been made available for Sam HD. Without it your modding options are very limited.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discy

At this time only TFE Classic and TSE Classic. The engine source was also recently released for TSE Classic. The Serious Sam 2 SDK was privately given to a few individuals/teams around 2007-2008 to create mods, but not publicly (not sure why it was never publicly released).

Because of the tight Steam integration and less constricted modding abilities out of the box, nothing after Sam2 has had the SDK and engine source released and I doubt Croteam will do that.

That's somewhat fascinating to me that it was released privately but never publicly. I've sent Croteam an email asking about it's whereabouts.

Discy · 11-28-2016, 06:34 AM

Yeah, you can always ask. Keep us updated on the reply.

Louva-Deus · 11-28-2016, 09:34 PM

They had planned an SDK for HD but it got lost among the 1000s of other more important things they needed to do.

*Finzy* · 11-29-2016, 12:44 PM

It is about as moddable as SS3 and SSHD:TSE, as far as I know. Which are extremely moddable as well if you just replace existing stuff.

Louva-Deus · 11-29-2016, 01:45 PM

It is less moddable than hd, but the scripting engine was capable of more things (in some ways) than the current one.

*Captain_Russia* · 12-02-2016, 12:00 PM

Funfact: Alot of SS2's scripting features were carried over into SS3.

Things like shield properties and Macro animation events XD, that STILL WORK! That arn't used in SS3.

Louva-Deus · 12-02-2016, 01:40 PM

Then recreate some of ryason's weapon scripts.

*Captain_Russia* · 12-03-2016, 02:31 AM

Eh, not interested.

The GMOD playerbase is ALOT bigger.

Louva-Deus · 12-03-2016, 10:09 AM

Alot..........

Solais · 12-04-2016, 06:09 AM

Louva-Deus · 12-04-2016, 10:45 AM

You're late.

*Mane* · 12-04-2016, 12:36 PM

Alot late *ba dum tss*

*PikaCommando* · 12-04-2016, 04:24 PM

It's a lot more "open" than SSHD, but not as much freedom as SS3. Porting animations is downright impossible; I've never seen anyone succeeded.

*Captain_Russia* · 12-04-2016, 04:58 PM

Don't forget, everything in SS2 is Finalized, so you cannot edit Croteam's stuff out-of-the-box

Louva-Deus · 12-04-2016, 07:58 PM

Ss2 edit data was released ages ago.

*PikaCommando* · 12-05-2016, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Louva-Deus

Ss2 edit data was released ages ago.

When? Pretty sure I still can't edit models (such as level architecture models).

Discy · 12-05-2016, 03:11 AM

Like a while ago.

Solais · 12-05-2016, 05:55 AM

That's not the edit data though.

*PikaCommando* · 12-05-2016, 06:01 AM

Yeah. Those are great, but not exactly what I'm looking for to make SS2 more editable.

*Captain_Russia* · 12-05-2016, 08:18 PM

But back when I modded this game heavily, it wasn't.

11-27-2016, 07:02 PM	#1
ReindeerFlotilla Gnaar Joined: Nov 2016 Location: Canada	How modifiable is SS2? I read it's not possible to create new weapons in SSHD/BFE and that you can only really modify existing ones. I'm wondering if SS2 has any notable limitations when it comes to modding it? I've seen mods for the game that add things like a knife to the game and dual wielding other weapons so I'm wondering if it would be possible to do things like reanimate the weapons or just add new ones entirely.

11-28-2016, 03:47 AM	#2
Discy Goodbye Moonmen Seriously! Khnum Joined: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Dual wielding was a feature of Sam2 before release, but it still existed in the code base after release. It took coders little effort to bring it back with mods. I think the same restrictions apply to Sam2, but I'm not sure. __________________ "Is there any better Gerüstbaufirmenvorarbeiterschlüsselanhängerfarbenwasserlöslichkeitskontrollchemiker than discy? No!" -Shrinker [22:30] Fiendian: Discy, Finzy and Louva shall merge into a superentity known as the Lickyfonz. "Can we just move Discy's posts to the HOF automatically already? :P" -Jetty Ir-Kalla: Serious Sam Classic map pack in development (Ir-Kalla: Egypt Demo)

11-28-2016, 04:17 AM	#4
Discy Goodbye Moonmen Seriously! Khnum Joined: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Keep in mind though that Serious Sam: Forever used the Serious Sam 2 SDK to modify the game's code base just like InSamnity! 2. The SDK was never made available publicly and has never been made available for Sam HD. Without it your modding options are very limited. __________________ "Is there any better Gerüstbaufirmenvorarbeiterschlüsselanhängerfarbenwasserlöslichkeitskontrollchemiker than discy? No!" -Shrinker [22:30] Fiendian: Discy, Finzy and Louva shall merge into a superentity known as the Lickyfonz. "Can we just move Discy's posts to the HOF automatically already? :P" -Jetty Ir-Kalla: Serious Sam Classic map pack in development (Ir-Kalla: Egypt Demo)

11-28-2016, 05:30 AM	#6
Discy Goodbye Moonmen Seriously! Khnum Joined: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands	Re: How modifiable is SS2? At this time only TFE Classic and TSE Classic. The engine source was also recently released for TSE Classic. The Serious Sam 2 SDK was privately given to a few individuals/teams around 2007-2008 to create mods, but not publicly (not sure why it was never publicly released). Because of the tight Steam integration and less constricted modding abilities out of the box, nothing after Sam2 has had the SDK and engine source released and I doubt Croteam will do that. __________________ "Is there any better Gerüstbaufirmenvorarbeiterschlüsselanhängerfarbenwasserlöslichkeitskontrollchemiker than discy? No!" -Shrinker [22:30] Fiendian: Discy, Finzy and Louva shall merge into a superentity known as the Lickyfonz. "Can we just move Discy's posts to the HOF automatically already? :P" -Jetty Ir-Kalla: Serious Sam Classic map pack in development (Ir-Kalla: Egypt Demo)

11-28-2016, 06:34 AM	#8
Discy Goodbye Moonmen Seriously! Khnum Joined: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Yeah, you can always ask. Keep us updated on the reply. __________________ "Is there any better Gerüstbaufirmenvorarbeiterschlüsselanhängerfarbenwasserlöslichkeitskontrollchemiker than discy? No!" -Shrinker [22:30] Fiendian: Discy, Finzy and Louva shall merge into a superentity known as the Lickyfonz. "Can we just move Discy's posts to the HOF automatically already? :P" -Jetty Ir-Kalla: Serious Sam Classic map pack in development (Ir-Kalla: Egypt Demo)

11-28-2016, 09:34 PM	#9
Louva-Deus Did you see? 魂クラッシャー Joined: Oct 2001	Re: How modifiable is SS2? They had planned an SDK for HD but it got lost among the 1000s of other more important things they needed to do.

11-29-2016, 12:44 PM	#10
Finzy Finzy Corp. CEO Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Whatshisoffice	Re: How modifiable is SS2? It is about as moddable as SS3 and SSHD:TSE, as far as I know. Which are extremely moddable as well if you just replace existing stuff. __________________ Serious Box Solid - SS3 Stealth Mod Finzy's Frozen Asylum -- Serious Escape: The Simian Encounter SS3 Mod -- Mountain Madness SS3 Demo

11-29-2016, 01:45 PM	#11
Louva-Deus Did you see? 魂クラッシャー Joined: Oct 2001	Re: How modifiable is SS2? It is less moddable than hd, but the scripting engine was capable of more things (in some ways) than the current one.

12-02-2016, 12:00 PM	#12
Captain_Russia Master of Kalamzoo Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Tropico	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Funfact: Alot of SS2's scripting features were carried over into SS3. Things like shield properties and Macro animation events XD, that STILL WORK! That arn't used in SS3. __________________ It's been an honor to be have been part of this site for so long captainrussiacptnrss07@gmail.com

12-02-2016, 01:40 PM	#13
Louva-Deus Did you see? 魂クラッシャー Joined: Oct 2001	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Then recreate some of ryason's weapon scripts.

12-03-2016, 02:31 AM	#14
Captain_Russia Master of Kalamzoo Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Tropico	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Eh, not interested. The GMOD playerbase is ALOT bigger. __________________ It's been an honor to be have been part of this site for so long captainrussiacptnrss07@gmail.com

12-03-2016, 10:09 AM	#15
Louva-Deus Did you see? 魂クラッシャー Joined: Oct 2001	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Alot..........

12-04-2016, 06:09 AM	#16
Solais Developer Fairy Croteam Representative Joined: Nov 2009	Re: How modifiable is SS2? __________________ Since Old Lost Age I Shine My Serious Sam 3/HD Workshop While I do work for Croteam, I'm first of all of this community, so my opinions are my own and do not represent Croteam's views.

12-04-2016, 10:45 AM	#17
Louva-Deus Did you see? 魂クラッシャー Joined: Oct 2001	Re: How modifiable is SS2? You're late.

12-04-2016, 04:24 PM	#19
PikaCommando ideas but no skills Seriously! Archivist/Slave Joined: Mar 2013 Location: In My Crawl, Crawling	Re: How modifiable is SS2? It's a lot more "open" than SSHD, but not as much freedom as SS3. Porting animations is downright impossible; I've never seen anyone succeeded.

12-04-2016, 04:58 PM	#20
Captain_Russia Master of Kalamzoo Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Tropico	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Don't forget, everything in SS2 is Finalized, so you cannot edit Croteam's stuff out-of-the-box __________________ It's been an honor to be have been part of this site for so long captainrussiacptnrss07@gmail.com

12-04-2016, 07:58 PM	#21
Louva-Deus Did you see? 魂クラッシャー Joined: Oct 2001	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Ss2 edit data was released ages ago.

12-05-2016, 03:11 AM	#23
Discy Goodbye Moonmen Seriously! Khnum Joined: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Like a while ago. __________________ "Is there any better Gerüstbaufirmenvorarbeiterschlüsselanhängerfarbenwasserlöslichkeitskontrollchemiker than discy? No!" -Shrinker [22:30] Fiendian: Discy, Finzy and Louva shall merge into a superentity known as the Lickyfonz. "Can we just move Discy's posts to the HOF automatically already? :P" -Jetty Ir-Kalla: Serious Sam Classic map pack in development (Ir-Kalla: Egypt Demo)

12-05-2016, 05:55 AM	#24
Solais Developer Fairy Croteam Representative Joined: Nov 2009	Re: How modifiable is SS2? That's not the edit data though. __________________ Since Old Lost Age I Shine My Serious Sam 3/HD Workshop While I do work for Croteam, I'm first of all of this community, so my opinions are my own and do not represent Croteam's views.

12-05-2016, 06:01 AM	#25
PikaCommando ideas but no skills Seriously! Archivist/Slave Joined: Mar 2013 Location: In My Crawl, Crawling	Re: How modifiable is SS2? Yeah. Those are great, but not exactly what I'm looking for to make SS2 more editable.

12-05-2016, 08:18 PM	#26
Captain_Russia Master of Kalamzoo Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Tropico	Re: How modifiable is SS2? But back when I modded this game heavily, it wasn't. __________________ It's been an honor to be have been part of this site for so long captainrussiacptnrss07@gmail.com

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