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Old 09-17-2005, 05:27 AM   #1   Add To Ignore List  
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http://www.factcheck.org/article348.html

i think Brown provides my favorite qoutes.
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Series of events shows its the local governments fault for idiot mistakes or lack of action and Bush and co's fault for investing trust in the local government officials to handle the situation (or at least begin handling it).
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no I think it's the columbian freedom fighter's fault for securing the Villa of reduced circumstances....
errr I posted the edit in the wrong thread lol
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Thank you for posting that Ep, although completely liberally biased when it was written it does prove that on the day of the hurricane FEMA was already going into motion and that the day before there were ways out of the city that no one took advantage of.

I live in North Carolina where we get hit by hurricanes all the time (our hockey team is even named after them for god sakes), it took FEMA like 4 months to get to the the victims of hurricane floyd and noone complained about it then. Why you may ask because the local government took over relief efforts till FEMA was needed and/or could get there.

What happened to the local law enforcement in L.A. ? oh yeah they were looting right along with the other people. L.A. is of a poplulation mix of about 75-80% blacks and has been run by the democrats for about 60 years now. They have received money for strengthing their levees back in the roaring 90's and they spent it on beautification for N.O. and repairing mardi gras fountains. While I feel sorry for those who lost everything I also know they had at least a 2 or 3 day notice it was going to hit them as a catagory 3+ and no one left. The people had 1 thing going for them and 1 thing against them. they had going for them an advanced warning system that told them the better part of a week in advance to get the hell out of the way this hurricane is coming through. They had going against them was a corrupt city and state government that kept them in poverty. I could look up the figures for the poverty rates in L.A. but I think its safe to say that if you werent in the employ of the state government you were either a business owner or you were damned near a member of the working poor if you had a job at all.

I think it was the ny times or the washington post who did a survey and found 9 out of 10 people who were not black (i.e. whites, latinos, asians and middle easterners) said that the response to the hurricane was not racially discrimanatory (probably spelled that wrong) but 8 out of 10 blacks thought it was. And who did we say is the largest portion of the population in L.A.?

Like I said I was here through Floyd which caused flooding of about 4 feet i think it was in most areas. Not as bad as the 9 feet they have in L.A. but then again were not a city UNDER SEA LEVEL! The flooding wasnt that bad in L.A. till the canal over flowed and the levee's broke. What kind of retards build a city underwater then cry for help when it floods? Oh yeah the french. (oh btw im 1/4 french so i can make that joke).

We should repair that city by filling it in with about 10 billion dollars worth of concrete and starting over again. make a nice smooth and level surface and then add some top soil and tell people to come back and rebuild. Maybe then the insurance companies will come back and insure people down there when there not a disaster waiting to happen.
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i didn't find it bias at all, and why post about race? just feel the urge to be non sequiter?

as far as brown and fema:

Brown : And so, this -- this catastrophic disaster continues to grow. I will tell you this, though. Every person in that Convention Center, we just learned about that today . And so, I have directed that we have all available resources to get to that Convention Center to make certain that they have the food and water, the medical care that they need...
Q: Sir, you aren't telling me...
Brown : ... and that we take care of those bodies that are there. . . .
Q: Sir, you aren't just telling me you just learned that the folks at the Convention Center didn't have food and water until today, are you? You had no idea they were completely cut off?
Brown: Paula, the federal government did not even know about the Convention Center people until today.


but its not like it excuses local officials

Thursday September 1, 2005 - 3 Days After
"Time Uncertain - Red Cross President Marsha Evans asks permission to enter the city with relief supplies, but Louisiana state officials deny permission."

even bush fesed up "Bush: Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility. I want to know what went right and what went wrong."


as far as what happened to you, do you not think 4 months is unacceptable?
I'm sorry the media didn't cover it, they should have, though i'm guessing it was quite the situation as in new orleans, but admitedly i don' tknow much abou tthe event.

as far as waisting money localy, that is a valid argument, except the army core of engineers said that had all the fund sgone through, it would NOT have made a differance.

and what about LA? that came out of no where.
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Yep, the problem in the upper levels of government was putting the level of trust in the local government that it did.
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Since i know your the master misspellah i checked the spelling of sequiter and its sequitur. And no I was relating that about 97% of blacks are democrats and democrats (though probably not all black) have been running that state for about 60 years. So if that was the case it should have been the new garden of eden. Should have been no unemployment, no homeless, no crime and no drug use. Instead it was the exact opposite and as soon as something horrible happens they dont fend for themselves for even 3 days before they want the federal government in to help them. Which is why I was relating that it took them 4 months to get to NC residents who even up to a year later were still not back in their homes. They were living in trailers provided by either their ins. company or FEMA ( i dont remember which because i wasnt affected by floyd like they were) when the hurricanes came the next year. So they got flooded out of their trailers too! This was a 30sec blurb on the news and no one cared. Hell to be honest the people here in NC vote republican for the president but the state is run by democrats or at least has been for the last 3 or 5 years. Not sure what exactly happened in this last election though. Taxes have been raised by 1 billion dollars in three years and the state still doesnt have any money. Research Triangle Park is here with IBM(lenovo whatever), cisco, Nortel, Dell and hundreds of other companies and the state still doesnt have enough money to break even. So thats probalby how the government was run down there in L.A. Though I cant say that for certian just making a correlation among political parties.

What I found liberally biased about that article was that they added empasis' to words like appears in a couple of spots and instead of just saying the president held a confrence they have to put in that he was in TX at the time. While its true clinton didnt take that many vacation days during his 8 years I dont personally see what he DID as a president other than raising our taxes from somewhere in the neighborhood of 32% to 39.6%, getting into scandal after scandal, trying to socialize healthcare, and not taking terrorism seriously. But thats another story all together. Point is you dont see a lot of people in the print and tv media bashing dems other than fox news, rush limbaugh and national review. So when the AP writes a story about a repub. you can just about bet theres going to be some kind of jab in there about how they are a republican senator from the backwoods area of north dakota or the president, while on vacation at his ranch in texas.

But enough about that my original point still stands valid. FEMA is designed to take over only after the local government has asked them for help. Otherwise the federal government would be encroaching on the states. Granted emergency relief from the government is the kind of encroachment that would have helped lots of people but the state has to ask for their help not the people up to their necks in water.

Its a whole bunch of red tape and bureaucracy that keeps the states free from the government taking over and making us a communist or socialist or facist country. In times like these, though, when there are people dying due to lack of the states response it ends up killing more people. The response isnt racially motivated but the lack of response by the state did kill lots more people in an area thats over 3/4 black. Thats why I did the whole poll quote thing and made the inferrance to blacks and democrats.

I am sorry people died but to fire the guy who was in charge of a federal agency just because he couldnt get food and relief to people in another state within 48hrs is ludicrous. Thats why i used the example of how long it took them to get the people here in NC aid.

We do have a lot of blacks here in NC too but its closer to 50/50 mix so it wasnt this horrible catastrophie. Our state also didnt build a city undersea level so the people didnt have to worry about an entire lake and an intire river umm finding the lowest point to go to. Not to mention the whole poverty thing in L.A. our people up here (mostly anyway) had halfway decent paying jobs and could afford to go get supplies and leave town if necessary. So the fact that so many people stayed in lieu of a mandatory evacuation order is really at the root of all the problems. If damned near everyone left when they were supposed to, and that amtrak train in your article Ep pointed out that there were options a day or even a few hours in advance, the loss of life would have been much less and the federal response could have taken weeks or months and it would have been ok.

I would also speculate that since the area is mostly black and mostly democrat that the media was down there in a heartbeat just so they could blame bush and FEMA for not being their WHILE the hurricane was going on.

Oh and lets talk about the 'artitst' kanye west for a minute shall we? this punk comes on tv to plead for people to help the victims of the hurricane (he was born in Atlanta, GA btw in 1977 so hes not much older than I am) and he goes on this rant saying george bush hates black people. That is such a load of BS its funny! george bush hates black people so much he hired the first black woman secratary of state, and one of the few black men secrataries of state. yeah he hate them blacks he do hmm-boy!
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why do you keep bring up los angeles?
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I'm pretty sure he just put in an extra period, that he meant LA., not L.A. It would make the most sense contextually, and is an easy enough mistake to make.
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ah, makes sence. Living in Los angeles, i just made the wrong connection.
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oh yeah thanks sometimes i get typing too fast and think about 4 or 5 words ahead of my finggers.
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in the end it's still just finger pointing
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until a major terrorist attack or the next major catastrophy, in which case, its the differance in hundreds of lives and billions of dollars. if anything is fixed/changed or not.
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he he he yeah and speaking of which... its name is rita lol its thursday the 22nd and watching the last 12hrs of movement on dopplar (sp?) it just turned north rather fast... heading back more towards the LA/TX border than dallas. I pray the people in LA are leaving now like the people in TX are. Roads in TX are blocked though but FEMA is already there apparently. So it looks like at least short term weve learned our lesson.
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