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Old 11-14-2012, 03:58 AM   #1   Add To Ignore List  
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Default I still think a Prequel to the prequel should exist.

I reaalllyyy wish that SS3 had been about the initial invasion of Earth by Mentals forces. People talked about this in the SS4 ideas thread and alos around the release of Sam 3 but I digress, but I think it deserves it's own thread.

SS3 made a good 'late' prequel but I think there's a lot of cool stuff we could have seen from SS from an even earlier point. You know, first contact and how shocked the earth forces would be at the new enemies and discovering all these new species. Hell I think I'd enjoy the game a bit more if I could see how the military reacted in game instead of in writing.

Woulda been cool to see some space battles or see some different battles around the world from different points of views for short times, just to make sure Sams spotlight isn't taken. Yeah I know Croteam isn't the biggest developer and this would be asking a lot but I still maintain the idea that SS3 would have been a lot more enjoyable if the entire population of Earth was shocked by the new enemy instead of jumping into the near end of the Earth vs Mental conflict.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:19 AM   #2   Add To Ignore List  
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I think it would be a bit weird because while everyone was going "Whoa! What is that?" every time a gnaar jumps out which you've already killed millions of, you'd feel very out of place.

That said, the potential for different areas is appealing. While other plans can (and sorta have) been explored in the "forward-moving" timeline, it's hard with Sam in the past to visit place like, say, New York or Dubai.
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It like <- ^ ->

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Hmm, i think if Prague would be fit in Serious Sam Series in Sams past.

Or maybe Croteam just needed a start point for story and never wanted to show us the attack on earth.

Many FPS do it that way too, reasons are difficult to figure out.
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Might as well visit Poland, this country is already devastated to an extreme extent.

That said I'd love to see the story behind the initial attack and its aftermath.
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I don't.

Too lazy to type yet again what I think about it. Except that I want new non-remake sequels that directly continue the story.
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I think it would be a bit weird because while everyone was going "Whoa! What is that?" every time a gnaar jumps out which you've already killed millions of, you'd feel very out of place.
Nah, I'm pretty sure they would've seen a million gnaars before the war on Earth (didn't Mental wipe out all the human colonies on random planets before assaulting Earth anyway? So, I'm pretty sure they must've seen most/almost all of Mental's monsters by then).
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I don't give a rat's ass about Earth, I wanted to see the conflict from the very beginning through the battles on the colonies, with the game ending as humanity being pushed back to Earth. Since Sam was the captain of the ship that landed on one of those orbiting asteroids that triggered the alarm, it could have been started there, and through all the battles we would have been able to see the "birth" of the hero that is Sam.
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I agree with you, Solais. XD
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I don't give a rat's ass about Earth, I wanted to see the conflict from the very beginning through the battles on the colonies, with the game ending as humanity being pushed back to Earth. Since Sam was the captain of the ship that landed on one of those orbiting asteroids that triggered the alarm, it could have been started there, and through all the battles we would have been able to see the "birth" of the hero that is Sam.
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I agree with you, Solais. XD
Maybe I misunderstood you, but I thought you were talking about this new game to be still set on Earth, just not at the end of the conflict but at the beginning.
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Default Re: I still think a Prequel to the prequel should exist.

I apologise for not wording it correctly then, that's my bad. Still, I wonder if Sam dressed the same at the start of the story. =P It'd be weird to see him in such high tec areas wearing jeans and a shirt whilst everyone else is in uniform. hahaha.

Would be a good time for space combat, I think someone mentioned that in one of the earlier serious sam 4 posts. Thing that you said took me by surprise though Solais. I wasn't aware that they made new colonies on other planets. I thought they just travelled to new ones and that somehow pissed off mental. Good to know.
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Yeah, the colonies are mentioned in the old FE backstory and also mentioned in the description of the SS3 Auto Turrets.
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I want to see a prequel in RPG style where we play as Sam during his childhood. Think Bully, with guns.
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Default Re: I still think a Prequel to the prequel should exist.

I would be interested in this as well. Perhaps spawning from my love of the Halo Franchise (the two games have somewhat similar background stories) and how great the Reach game was.

I can't recall how deeply Sam's storyline goes. But perhaps they could flesh out his background more in the prequel? Maybe he was just an average citizen that rose up against Mental's forces and that's why he is never in uniform. Just an idea...
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Well according to the old backstory, he was the captain of that ship that took the scientists to Sirius and triggered the alarm system that woke Mental up prematurely.
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He sure dresses up like a captain of a starship.
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Well according to the old backstory, he was the captain of that ship that took the scientists to Sirius and triggered the alarm system that woke Mental up prematurely.
Fair enough, like I said I wasn't too familiar with the deep backstory, just the rough details . Anyway, it would be interesting if Croteam would provide at least some explanation why he is never in uniform. Could be amusing or serious, I don't care .

Maybe Sam was sleeping with teh sexah ladies the night before everything went down. And the ho ran away with his uniform. Looked in his closet and could only find a white shirt, jeans, and red sneakers.
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Maybe one day he was chillin', doing his laundry (his uniform included in it), and a Gnaar sneaked up to his house while he was doing it and ate it, and all that was left in his closet was a white shirt, jeans and red brown sneakers.
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Maybe he just doesn't give a shit?
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Yeah that. I myself hate when jobs have a dresscode, if I want to captain a spaceship in my pants only, then I do that.
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I'd wear uniform. Some of those military suits and body armours look badass.
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Default Re: I still think a Prequel to the prequel should exist.

Oh great, let's remove Sam's iconic clothing in the next game to make it even more realistic.

I think Sam just wears what he wears because he's a) pretty serious b) a game character c) that's what he's best known for d) it makes him unique.

I hope they don't go writing Sam an actually realistic storyline now. I hate that the series is going into this all REAL-SERIOUS style now with less humour and more gray brown realism in each title. Soon they'll probably rename the title to just Sam because Serious sounds too silly and no normal character would be named like that.

Besides, they can explain such trivial things even in a whole new game without needing a prequel to a prequel, via flashbacks or dialogue for instance.

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The prequel of the prequel to SS3 BFE i could image as Adventure.

A Prequel to the prequel is called a Pre-Prequel?

But when comes the Parts after SS2, or does come after SS2 again FE and it will be repeated endless and start always from begin.

Maybe its called Game Art and the Prequel is our Imagination!?!?

Also i'm interested in if Sam had an career in military.

Its always funny if the best Army(s) of the world failed, they called a guy with big muscles and an old Shotgun. This one saved the world and get the Money and the chicks. And with a few Quotes. The good old Action Movie Way.
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I actually want SS to be written a proper story. That wouldn't really mean less humor, especially if the humor is like the one in Jewel of the Nile. I myself hate that SS2 shits on the story of the game and breaks the lore that was built up by the original backstory and the Netricsa entries. I like that SS3 gives more regarding that and even references stuff in that original backstory.
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I never thought Serious Sam had any kind of world class story and lore so I'm not even interested in hearing its background much. Humanity discovers aliens, big deal, as if we hadn't seen that before. With such a cliché story I WISH the game focused more on being a proper parody of itself like SS2 was, just with better gameplay and jokes. That would make it stand out more than being another generic sci-fi plotline.

Heck if story played any kind of major role in Sam, it wouldn't be hidden in some obscure fan forum archive away from public eyes. Or an ancient developer homepage that's never gotten updated.

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SS2 wasn't a parody of itself, just a silly cartoonish obnoxious thing. If you want to take a game that is properly a parody of itself, that would be TSE and Jewel of the Nile, how all other SS games should be made from now on.
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Well that's your opinion, because I think SS2 succeeded pretty well in being a parody of itself, it's just that some people take it wayy too damn seriously instead of seeing its funny aspect.

How is Jewel of the Nile even a parody of itself? It has a perfectly legit and explained storyline and nothing that hints that it was just a parody. In TSE HD the only things that hint at a parody is the opening cutscene and funny enemies. I don't think secrets even classify because they're secrets and as such, non-canon.

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