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Old 03-28-2016, 08:36 AM   #1   Add To Ignore List  
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Default Is it possible to make separate game (not mod)?

Hi there!

I'm looking for game engine for small and simple, but 3d HQ game.

So... I really like serious engine 4 - just because quality/performance ratio. Talos principle works and looks great under my ancient gt8800

The question is, can I separate my work from original game?

I know, a lot of mods can become full featured standalone game in source engine (like "stanley parable"), is it possible with serious engine?

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No, since you'd need the sourcecode and that's not available.
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Croteam has only recently released the full engine source for one of their games for the public: Serious Engine 1 used for Serious Sam classic. And that is fifteen years after the game's release.
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Croteam has only recently released the full engine source for one of their games for the public: Serious Engine 1 used for Serious Sam classic. And that is fifteen years after the game's release.
Well, the thing is... I don't actually need full source code of game - SDK and editor would be enough.

I also want to notice, that Serious Enigne 1 is useful only for education purpose.

It will be great if someday Croteam release separated engine for game developers (like other companies did).

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Well, the thing is... I don't actually need full source code of game - SDK and editor would be enough.
Ah, okay. From the thread title "separate game (not mod)" it sounded like you wanted to make something that could run without requiring the base game. Even with the SDK you still need the base game in your Steam library to run it, since you can only make mods with it.

Also, the way new engine works the SDK is becoming redundant, because you can do most basic to intermediate modding (new levels, model/sound replacement, new weapons/monsters/items/textures) within the editor itself.

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I also want to notice, that Serious Enigne 1 is useful only for education purpose.

It will be great if someday Croteam release separated engine for game developers (like other companies did).
It would be cool if Croteam released an educational version of their engine like Epic and Crytek are doing, but I don't think they're big enough to get a lot of support, sadly.
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Ah, okay. From the thread title "separate game (not mod)" it sounded like you wanted to make something that could run without requiring the base game. Even with the SDK you still need the base game in your Steam library to run it, since you can only make mods with it.
Opps, I incorrectly expressed my thought. I suppose that SDK should contain at least

1) .h header file with all needed functions/procedures declarations
2) .dll/.so binary file with engine and functions/procedures body
3) Tools for creating content/data/etc (in our case - it's serious editor)

So, as you see, I need a little source code from SDK to compile my custom game, but it's not actually a source. It's some kind of "gateway" to access compiled library, and this access will be done by linker.
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Also, the way new engine works the SDK is becoming redundant, because you can do most basic to intermediate modding (new levels, model/sound replacement, new weapons/monsters/items/textures) within the editor itself.
sure it is! But only when you need mod, ant nothing more. If you will try to make a strategy or platformer you'll fail.


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educational version of their engine like Epic and Crytek are doing
Sadly, that engines are not for "education", lol. But for developing games.

Ok, it seems like there is nothing to do here anymore.

Cast or email me if something changes.
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