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Old 12-29-2011, 04:42 AM   #1   Add To Ignore List  
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Default Would you like SSII to be reimagined SSHD/BFE-style?

There is a thread about a possibility of remake, but this one is little different: would you like SSII to be remade (not facelifted like TSE and TFE were, but remade, with different levels and stuff) in style of SSHD/BFE?
I was going to make a poll, but could find the button to do it (is there one?), so I'm making a new thread.

My opinion: heck YES. SSII is not THAT out of place compared to classic TFE/TSE, but it's out-of-placeness is jarring when compared to SSHD/BFE. And since SSII is going to be put on Steam anyway, those who like the original SSII will lose nothing - they will be able to play it, while those who didn't will have the reimagined version to play. And everybody will be happy.
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I was going to make a poll, but could find the button to do it (is there one?), so I'm making a new thread.
You check a box "Yes, post a poll with this thread" in the "Additional Options" section below your post box field when creating the thread.

And yes, I would.
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No. The game is a piece of Croteam history, no matter how much you don't like it. Instead of remaking the old stuff, I would prefer Croteam to move forward.

Also, added a poll for you, seeing as you can't add it after creating the thread.
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No .

Reasons already stated.
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Nope.
This is how most companies go down the drain - re-imagining old-sh!t and trying to make it prettier.
Move forward !
Gogogo SS4 !
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Coming in to balance out the votes. Yes. I like SS2, but it breaks the continuity. As a Lore nerd in several series and virtual worlds I like, I grew very distasteful towards stories that doesn't care about continuity.
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Nope.
This is how most companies go down the drain - re-imagining old-sh!t and trying to make it prettier.
Move forward !
Gogogo SS4 !
"Only remembering where did we come from, we will be able to move forward; otherwise, we will be stuck in endless cycle of self-repeating."

And by the way, how many of you "remakes are bad, make something new" guys have bought SSHD?
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"Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards."

There are quotes on EVERY possible permutation, so yeah.

Its just that I would rather that CT spend their time on a new entry rather then polishing an old one however good it may be !
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I like SS2 as is, but for the serious bomb in coop. It's so abused! I hope CT puts in server side on/off cvar.
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Of course yes! If not for 2k games, the game would be released as it should be! Now, Croteam has a chance to create Serious Sam 2 as they wanted it to be!
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No. The game is a piece of Croteam history, no matter how much you don't like it.
Plus it's pretty insulting to the people who do like it when you say "Let's just pretend it doesn't exist".
Basically saying "your taste in games sucks ass. Use mine instead"

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And by the way, how many of you "remakes are bad, make something new" guys have bought SSHD?
What people want CroTeam to do with SS2 is more of a re-imagining. As in completely redesign everything so it looks like SS3.
SS:HD is basically the same as it's original counterpart but runs on Serious Engine 3 instead of the first one. There were some new textures but only the Reptiloid got a complete redesign.


Honestly I prefer if each SS game have it's own style. With the way the gameplay is, it's a good idea.

SS1 looked like any game that tried to be realistic at that time.
SS2 went with the cartoon looks.
SS3 went with realism.

How about SS4 go with some sort of cel-shaded comic book style? Maybe something like borderlands? (Not like borderlands, I just mentioned that one as an example)

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Default Re: Would you like SSII to be reimagined SSHD/BFE-style?

Somehow accidently voted 'Yes', but I meant 'No'.
Anyhow, like Discy said, it's Croteam's history and past. Croteam needs to move forth and do new stuff, I've already replayed countless hours of glorified Sam HD, which is a cool remake, but I don't see myself replaying SS2 as much though. I'd like new worlds and places, new levels, classic and new weapons and more. I also think it is stupid to call it a 'remake' when everything is 'remastered and completely new'. Just make a new game.
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Make "Serious Sam 2 and a half: After Second Encounter".
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I agree with both arguments. I would like to see a SS 2 game in the style of SS 3, I also would like to see some of the SS 1 and SS 3 enemies in the cartoon style of SS 2. At the same time, I agree that Croteam should move on to SS 4.

That’s why I thank that Once the SDK comes out for SE 3.5, the modding community should do the SS 2 re-imagining slash remake of SS 2. I would love to see the remade levels, uzi and plasma gun of SS 2 in the SE 3.5. Of course it will take a lot of work, but it can be done.

That way Croteam can go on to SS 4.
And we who really want a SS 2 game in the style of SS 3 would get it.
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Default Re: Would you like SSII to be reimagined SSHD/BFE-style?

I have mixed feelings about it. While SS2 is no masterpiece I do have fond memories of it from years back, while on the other hand I would love to see a different interpretation of its theme. More Sam the merrier.

But in the end I vote no. I'd rather see Croteam work on a big expansion pack for SS3 or SS4 and leave SS2 as the odd part of the series' history. Croteam could do more of a graphical remake like they did with SS1 but SS2 looks very good still today in my opinion.
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I personally would reimagine SS2 to be as it is, but not as an FPS. Instead, it would be an arcadey twinstick top-down shooter like Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light or Gatling Gears.
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Remake SS2 as an RTS. You command the "Alliance" soldiers (that's how the friendly army at the end of SS2 was called) against Mental's horde. First the game would start with Sam alone as a Hero unit, then you get control of the Simbas first and using their troops to retake the planet, then going planet hopping, retaking them all, every new planet would add new units and such, and in the end a climactic battle for Sirius would occur. And of course, since it is all about old-school, the gameplay would be like the early Command and Conquer games, no unit limit, only one resource and a shitload of soldiers and tanks.
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Uh, what is with you people? There are plenty of RTS and top-down shooter series out there for you to play if you want that crap. Why can't you just leave SS as a first-person shooter like it was meant to be?
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Because Pure FPSes are a black hole of creativity.

An RTS set in the Serious Sam universe would actually be a good idea, provided it's of the Tower Defense flavour, but it won't be Serious Sam 2's plot. I am thinking more of a prequel to Serious Sam 3, where the EDF has to defend against Mental's Troops long enough for research and development of ancient Sirian technology to come to fruition.

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That could work as well.

And yeah, Croteam can't do the same stuff all the time. With the close release of both HDs and SS3, there were already some people who started to get sick with the game. And that is kinda the fault of this series: It is good, it is awesome, but in big doses, it can be exhausting. It is good to see, that SS3 was bold enough to introduce changes to the gameplay, but eventually there need to be more than just that.
Not to mention, the series have to end some time.

Of course, it doesn't mean that the series have to give up its roots, the main SS feeling, but it has to be more complex sooner or later. I'm thinking that hub levels, overworld levels, missions and maybe even weapon and ammunition crafting and/or modifying could work well. Like RAGE, just with more enemies and more variations in environment.

Also, there are barely any RTS games nowadays.
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I have never seen an RTS as creative as a good first-person shooter.


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To be honest, I never seen an FPS as creative as, dunno, Red Alert 2, if we consider the whole cheesiness, the insane amount of unit variations and ideas. It's somehow like an SS2, done good, with the same style, but still being more "believable".

Actually that could work for an SS2 remake. In the style of SS1/HD, but not the style of SS3, adopting the cheesy cartoony-ness of SS2, and making it "believable".

As for Tower Defense, in one of the first patches of SS3, a new "Tower Defense" folder appeared in the editor, with a new entity called "Defense Tower", if I recall correctly. Maybe Croteam is planning to add TD gameplay to Sam3 through some DLC?
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As much as I'd like to see a SS2 remake, I'd have to go against my wishes and vote no.

Why?

Because as much as I'd like to see a SS2 remake, I'd like to see SS4 even more.

As Orcrist said, Croteam should move forward rather than dwell on things past.
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First person tower defence I hope.
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I'd actually just love to see an RTS based on all of the game, mainly Serious Sam 1 (TFE and TSE) for its variety in monsters and creatures, environments, and etc. You could choose between two factions, Mental's Horde or EDF Alliance, and play within various maps based in Egypt, South America, Persia and so forth. There is so much to work with in an RTS based Sam game.
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A remake? No thanks. I wouldn't mind it being re-released on the SS3 engine. I however would much prefer the intro to be Serious Sam in his house, walks to his TV and pops in a game and then SS2 starts - making the events of SS2 actually be Sam playing a video game featuring himself. There we go - SS2 happened but isn't canon anymore
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^ This happening while he's on the Sirian Rocket flying to Sirius. I can live with that.
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I however would much prefer the intro to be Serious Sam in his house, walks to his TV and pops in a game and then SS2 starts - making the events of SS2 actually be Sam playing a video game featuring himself. There we go - SS2 happened but isn't canon anymore
Umm ?
Yea, and at the end we come to know that Sam is playing a game which features Duke playing a game of Sam playing an SS2 game ?
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First person tower defence I hope.
From what I've seen when fiddling with the entity, yes. But I never saw a first person TD before, I only know the RTS kind, and that minigame in Assassin's Creed Revolutions.
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Hey, there was that game...What was it called...
Sanctum IIRC ?

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I agree, this genre/idea hasnt been played with much.
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