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Old 09-28-2004, 05:04 PM   #1   Add To Ignore List  
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Default Sub Culture discussion thread

as a spin off of the geek thread, i thought it would be interesting to have a thread discussing different sub-cultures. Many people are surprised how different one sub culture can very in of itself, though most also don't care. I myslef have incountered several, and have done minor research into the various ones, and know several ppl in different ones as well.

I'm not intrested in a "lets make fun of _____ subculture cause they look funny" thread. feel free to do that in another thread, I really don't care.

I'd be interested to know what other people know, and have experianced.
I have several links on different ones, though thats on my other computer, so can't post them now.
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Personally, I never have understood the whole sub-culture thing. I've always prefered to think of myself as a culture of one. Can I request that while we're discussing different sub-cultures, we also explore the reasons people have for becoming a part of a sub-culture?
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alot of times one is torn between the need for extreme individuality and the need to belong

often times people who like to dress like a character from a surrealist novel dont get along to well with average Joe (and no we are talking about our former asd here)

they tend to group together in small groups and give themselves stupid names, then the culture whores start conforming to them.
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I'd divide the classes into the following:

Nerd: Study freak, no social life, insulted by porn.
Pseudo Nerd: Study Freak, some social life, and gamer.
Gamer Wiz: Couldnt give about studying , no social life, dependent on porn.
Geek: Interwheb dependant. Excells in video gaming. Only meets chicks/guys via online dating.
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Right. I've got that much already. I was searching for something with a little more depth though. I mean, I can understand the need to strike out on your own when you're young. It's part of the programmed emotional response to want to set yourself up as a unique individual. It just seems to me that by lumping yourself in with another group of people, you are being counterproductive to this goal. Sure, you're showing yourself as different than your parents, or the societal standard of normalcy... but you get lost in the crowd of others in your sub-group.
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Right. I've got that much already. I was searching for something with a little more depth though. I mean, I can understand the need to strike out on your own when you're young. It's part of the programmed emotional response to want to set yourself up as a unique individual. It just seems to me that by lumping yourself in with another group of people, you are being counterproductive to this goal. Sure, you're showing yourself as different than your parents, or the societal standard of normalcy... but you get lost in the crowd of others in your sub-group.
hehe but thats what happens when you have two seperate needs that counteract each other.

You simulate one... and take the other
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It just seems to me that by lumping yourself in with another group of people, you are being counterproductive to this goal. Sure, you're showing yourself as different than your parents, or the societal standard of normalcy... but you get lost in the crowd of others in your sub-group.
usualy the goal is to be accepted 'and' be comfortable. We are inherently social creatures afterall. I think its not counter productive because we can keep the cliche' small enough to not get lost. For example the nerd cliche at my school was only about 10 people, and in that 4-6 were close friends. Also that is where sub-sub cultures come in to play.

For example, goths. I know most people think of all goths as one in the same, but there are about 7 ones, all defined by goth in general, but also all accepted. I think maddox had a whole big article on it. An done of the first things he siad, was that everyone defined goth differently, but then thats the point. he lumped them all together liek anyone making fun of a particular group.

Point is, while there are overall sub cultures, i think people tend to keep the association level at the point needed. starting with the sub-culture, a division within that, and then the group of friends, making it easy to keep down to 4-5 people.

anytime they encounter an opposite cliche' they use numbers to social dominate the other cliche' not nessisarely dirctly, but to make them feel better about them selves.


of course there are several other psycological reasons. but i think this is the main breakdown. to be relaxed and accepted.
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Right. I've got that much already. I was searching for something with a little more depth though. I mean, I can understand the need to strike out on your own when you're young. It's part of the programmed emotional response to want to set yourself up as a unique individual. It just seems to me that by lumping yourself in with another group of people, you are being counterproductive to this goal. Sure, you're showing yourself as different than your parents, or the societal standard of normalcy... but you get lost in the crowd of others in your sub-group.
The aim of an individual when join a group or sub group or anything group-related is to be accepted, or just just increasing the chances of being accepted.

Its not much about developing your individuality, its more fear driven, its caused by your self inadiquacies. By surrounding yourself and considering yourself one of the many people, you fear less of being targeted and being discriminated by your individual 'features'.

Lumping yourself in with another group of people implies that that very same group of people will hopefully stand for the same things you stand for, act just like you and represent you while introducing yourself to the society as a whole.

Its not really counterproductive, it just bring different results from totally differentiating yourself from the crowd.
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I want to start one where we get together and eat sub sadwiches in a submarine dressed as pirates.

A sub sub sub culture as it were.
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I once worked with someone that was theorizing that deadheads may have a complete culture and not be considered a music groupie subculture. Unfortunately, I'm not a sociologist or have I spent much time following deadheads around to support the idea one way or another. If anyone has any information that would be able to classify deadheads as culture or subculture, I would be interested.
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I once worked with someone that was theorizing that deadheads may have a complete culture and not be considered a music groupie subculture. Unfortunately, I'm not a sociologist or have I spent much time following deadheads around to support the idea one way or another. If anyone has any information that would be able to classify deadheads as culture or subculture, I would be interested.
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Um, I'm not sure what qualifies as a sub culture. If it's what I think it is, Salt Lake is completely full of them.
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i agree Booger that that would be good to discuss.

though i'd rather keep it post high school phase, or at least distinguish sence there tends to be a whee bit of angst involved =)

I'd say more but I'm about to head out.
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arn't we a bit of a subculture?

a somewhat insular community of people built around a 5 year old low budget computer game...can you get more sub?

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arn't we a bit of a subculture?

a somewhat insular community of people built around a 5 year old low budget computer game...can you get more sub?

Yes. The community for Universal Combat (or any other Derek Smart game, for that matter.)
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