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Old 11-08-2012, 09:36 AM   #241   Add To Ignore List  
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But blackknighttgs... It's the ghostbuster...

I'd like to see recreated dragon men from the beta in this. Chet on it man! We need dragon men.
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But blackknighttgs... It's the ghostbuster...

I'd like to see recreated dragon men from the beta in this. Chet on it man! We need dragon men.
All Is already finished the project is in late beta phase, i still need to finish some textures, release some trailers and a demo version of the game, for the real game release you will need to wait...
This weekend ill do my liddle first trailer...
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So today I've found out something interesting with the help of Angelo. Of course, his project piqued my interest as well (after all, I asked him first to check out the Ghostbuster in the first place, and he was pretty curious about it as well), and I asked him about if he has something that could provide further information about the alpha and beta versions.

http://i.imgur.com/mkpLn.jpg

You already know about the Ghostbuster, and Angelo also found other specific things that he will include in the project for custom map makers to use on their maps. There was something else he was interested in, however, unfortunately just as Croteam said, the old Alpha maps were no longer available. However. He found two maps with the backups of the actual finalized TFE maps.

One of these maps were called as LavaCaves. As he inspected, he found out that it is the exact same area from TSE's the Land of the Damned, just as a separate level. We think, that it might be a remain from the original Lava Planet levels, later included in TSE.


The second map was more interesting. It is called GrandObelisk. Anyone who know the Beast DLC levels they think that it is probably the original version of the SSHD's CityObeliskYard. And in ways, it is. Just for comparison purposes, let's take a look at the SSHD version:

http://i.imgur.com/iZSBhl.jpg

When I first played this level, it heavily reminded me of the level Tower of Babel. A huge towering structure in the middle, with a path around it, just with a simpler layout. I even suggested the "Deja Vu Secret" to Croteam to reference the "Secret Second Round" secret in Tower of Babel.
So I looked on an image Angelo have given to me, and I noticed something. The layout was more developed than what we've seen in SSHD, though many textures were missing. What I think, that while most of the alpha levels never made it, this level was chosen to be in the final level list, but somehow didn't make it. This is similar to how the Ghostbuster was also developed further and even finalized, but in the end cut, in probably Late Beta. The level looked like this:

http://i.imgur.com/ERm9Ul.jpg

Wait. Isn't that familiar? It is! It's actually

http://i.imgur.com/RtmMLl.jpg

Tower of Babel! The level Grand Obelisk reminds me of that level so much because it IS the same level! Mind=Blown!

So I think, this is what happened:

- Alpha Levels were scrapped and mostly deleted originally, though they might exist in a backup that since then went bad, and Croteam only managed to recover those three levels in the Beast DLC.
- Not all Alpha Levels were deleted, however. Some of them were selected to be developed further, and those became the 15 levels we know today. Not all of them were Egypt levels though.
- One level was "IntroAndWaterfallCircle", later then renamed "DreamWaterfalls" (its music folder is named as that, also confirmed by Angelo its backup to be named as that as well) and then as "MoonMountains". There was also a level saved from the Lava Planet, that became "LavaCaves".
- LavaCaves was later decided to be scrapped, but it wasn't deleted. Later this map would be used again, as part of the TSE level "Land of the Damned".
- One Egypt level was retained, "CityObeliskYard". This level was developed further, getting a better, more detailed layout, but for unknown reasons, it was cut, maybe cause of the lack of time. Later this level was then retextured, and became "Tower of Babel".

This find actually makes me curious. Who knows how much of The Second Encounter is actually repurposed Alpha and Beta assets? (Especially knowing about the Flamer.)
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Yay! We already played a part of the beta without knowing \o/
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One of these maps were called as LavaCaves. As he inspected, he found out that it is the exact same area from TSE's the Land of the Damned, just as a separate level. We think, that it might be a remain from the original Lava Planet levels, later included in TSE.
I was sure that this is how it is, even before you confirmed it. But these are very nice findings you have there. As things are going, Ziggurat might also turn out to be the babylon temple from Karnak

Too bad that there isn't more left from the other planets. The screenshots left from them are very scarce too. Is there a level list showing all of the map names? I mean, there is the list with 40 levels in Test 1, but I think it's not complete since it doesn't have the Nile level? There's probably more missing too, perhaps there is a more complete list in that backup?
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Any way of releasing those levels? As intact?
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Is there a possibility of releasing those few maps, many people want to play them?

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Do not double post.

Do not quote my entire post, since it is long.

And as we have said countless times, do not ask for these things, I haven't got them either, just screens and info. I already said how it was my final warning, isn't it? You might get banned for that.

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Too bad that there isn't more left from the other planets. The screenshots left from them are very scarce too. Is there a level list showing all of the map names? I mean, there is the list with 40 levels in Test 1, but I think it's not complete since it doesn't have the Nile level? There's probably more missing too, perhaps there is a more complete list in that backup?
We looked for it, there is none, unfortunately. Not even the the Test 1 one.
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Do not double post.

Do not quote my entire post, since it is long.

And as we have said countless times, do not ask for these things, I haven't got them either, just screens and info. I already said how it was my final warning, isn't it? You might get banned for that.



We looked for it, there is none, unfortunately. Not even the the Test 1 one.
well dude this is a old computer i didn't know even did i post, second no, i CAN'T be banned for this because this is the FIRST time i ASKED for that, and i asked for a OFFICIONAL release also LD told me about asking angelo for the ghostbuster, i was asking you for a officional release of those maps if you can read well?

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I never said I had the maps, aka you asked them from Angelo, and no, LD told you that you can't ask Angelo of ANYTHING.
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I never said I had the maps, aka you asked them from Angelo, and no, LD told you that you can't ask Angelo of ANYTHING.
I thought you have the maps so i asked you. and stop freakn' complain when anyone releases those stuff ill finish my project. and release it!
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Kazuya. Kazuya. Kazuya.

Read my post very carefully:

Be quiet. Just stop. Right now.
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Too bad that they scrapped CityMiddleYards, the second map from the DLC. It has such amazing layout, that it could have been right at home between Karnak and Luxor. Even better, they could have kept the old Karnak that had the current Luxor as a temple in Karnak, and used CityMiddleYards for Luxor instead.

Now we know that Croteam isn't not releasing the beta assets because they want to keep them secret so that they can use them later. They're not releasing them because they simply don't have them anymore
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Too bad that they scrapped CityMiddleYards, the second map from the DLC. It has such amazing layout, that it could have been right at home between Karnak and Luxor. Even better, they could have kept the old Karnak that had the current Luxor as a temple in Karnak, and used CityMiddleYards for Luxor instead.

Now we know that Croteam isn't not releasing the beta assets because they want to keep them secret so that they can use them later. They're not releasing them because they simply don't have them anymore
Oh really? they sure have a "Serious Sam bible" the ghostbuster some levels and stuff. Also im preety sure that atleast one of those from 1996-2000 prototypes is there!
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Yay! We already played a part of the beta without knowing \o/
My initial reaction.

That's quite amazing, actually, I hadn't noticed the similar anatomy of the Tower of Babel compared to the new DLC.
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I hadn't noticed the similar anatomy of the Tower of Babel compared to the new DLC.
First time I played through the DLC I thought "Hey look, tower of babel, egypt-styled", anyways, incredible how we are already playing some levels of the beta.

Nice findings Solais and Angelo
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Since im in advantage because i know a little bit of russian i found some cool stuff.I never registered here because of my privacy i play this game since it first came out.I dont like multiplayer.Thekazuya alredy knows me from his facebook page...Anyways i found some links on the serioussite.ru i found some videos and some materials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=T0VehDn54Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzEC...7gI63w&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhWZ...7gI63w&index=9
http://www.serioussite.ru/load/city_...on/28-1-0-1880
http://www.serioussite.ru/load/city_test/28-1-0-1879
And the best one which link doesnt work somethimes:
http://www.serioussite.ru/load/karna...ja/28-1-0-1852
Il continue searching on the russian page mabye theres more cool things.
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Since im in advantage because i know a little bit of russian i found some cool stuff.I never registered here because of my privacy i play this game since it first came out.I dont like multiplayer.Thekazuya alredy knows me from his facebook page...Anyways i found some links on the serioussite.ru i found some videos and some materials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=T0VehDn54Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzEC...7gI63w&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhWZ...7gI63w&index=9
http://www.serioussite.ru/load/city_...on/28-1-0-1880
http://www.serioussite.ru/load/city_test/28-1-0-1879
And the best one which link doesnt work somethimes:
http://www.serioussite.ru/load/karna...ja/28-1-0-1852
Il continue searching on the russian page mabye theres more cool things.

those maps are from a mapper who works with me in my beta remake... those maps are in my remake already.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:02 PM   #259   Add To Ignore List  
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Seriously, kazuya, you have been telling us about that "remake" of yours for like... lot of time. You have been also telling about how much stuff you have done, how much it is near completing. Why don't you show us anything? If you really have something - you can do that, even if it's not finished! If it's not, why are you still talking about that?

Now, back to the topic: Now, seeing how much of scrapped FE stuff is in SE, SS2 and even in SS3, I just can't wait to see SS4 to try to search for some more references.
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I alredy know that.But why are these maps avalible for download on a russian page but not here?On Croatian:Nisam dugo bio ovdje.Poceo sam i ja koristiti serious editor jer obozavam ovaj projekat.Ako ti treba beta tester il nesto slicno ja sam raspolozen...Mada onaj projekat Serious Sam Extended je isto exstra al tvoj bolji.Uvijek navijam za CRO
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Someone just made maps based on beta screenshots, and probably called them like they are from beta...
They can't be the real one, since Croteam never released any beta releated stuff to public.
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This is why they are not available for download here, Kinga. Because if you exclusively share things on a site where nobody can understand the language except Russians..
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It's funny how after all this time, the first proof that Kaz's project is actually being worked on comes from an unrelated 3rd party
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I just want to join any project.After all these years i never touched serious zone.And then it came to me WHY NOT.If anyone needs a beta tester or something related plz tell me...
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lol dragon dude... i showed preety much for public... when serious sam revolution is released, the sayme date i will release my beta remake, that's the word
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lol dragon dude... i showed preety much for public... when serious sam revolution is released, the sayme date i will release my beta remake, that's the word
What if I said that Serious Sam Revolution will be released the day you release your remake?
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lol dragon dude... i showed preety much for public... when serious sam revolution is released, the sayme date i will release my beta remake, that's the word
What if he releases it right now?
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What if I secretly already released it yesterday?
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