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Old 02-16-2013, 06:08 PM   #361   Add To Ignore List  
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wait, ill make one myself, ** taking a random CD and writing Serious Sam 1998 early build Cro Team on it , Trying to imitate the old sign**
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You know? Just nevermind.
Let's go back to the topic.
Some people here can't understand somethings, but I agree with noam2000 - this is now some sort of chat-room where we talk with thekazuya0.60 about something that is sorta pointless as far as I can see.

Let's go back to the place where this topic was going down...

The last stay-on-topic post, let's just continue discussion from there:

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So today I've found out something interesting with the help of Angelo. Of course, his project piqued my interest as well (after all, I asked him first to check out the Ghostbuster in the first place, and he was pretty curious about it as well), and I asked him about if he has something that could provide further information about the alpha and beta versions.

http://i.imgur.com/mkpLn.jpg

You already know about the Ghostbuster, and Angelo also found other specific things that he will include in the project for custom map makers to use on their maps. There was something else he was interested in, however, unfortunately just as Croteam said, the old Alpha maps were no longer available. However. He found two maps with the backups of the actual finalized TFE maps.

One of these maps were called as LavaCaves. As he inspected, he found out that it is the exact same area from TSE's the Land of the Damned, just as a separate level. We think, that it might be a remain from the original Lava Planet levels, later included in TSE.


The second map was more interesting. It is called GrandObelisk. Anyone who know the Beast DLC levels they think that it is probably the original version of the SSHD's CityObeliskYard. And in ways, it is. Just for comparison purposes, let's take a look at the SSHD version:

http://i.imgur.com/iZSBhl.jpg

When I first played this level, it heavily reminded me of the level Tower of Babel. A huge towering structure in the middle, with a path around it, just with a simpler layout. I even suggested the "Deja Vu Secret" to Croteam to reference the "Secret Second Round" secret in Tower of Babel.
So I looked on an image Angelo have given to me, and I noticed something. The layout was more developed than what we've seen in SSHD, though many textures were missing. What I think, that while most of the alpha levels never made it, this level was chosen to be in the final level list, but somehow didn't make it. This is similar to how the Ghostbuster was also developed further and even finalized, but in the end cut, in probably Late Beta. The level looked like this:

http://i.imgur.com/ERm9Ul.jpg

Wait. Isn't that familiar? It is! It's actually

http://i.imgur.com/RtmMLl.jpg

Tower of Babel! The level Grand Obelisk reminds me of that level so much because it IS the same level! Mind=Blown!

So I think, this is what happened:

- Alpha Levels were scrapped and mostly deleted originally, though they might exist in a backup that since then went bad, and Croteam only managed to recover those three levels in the Beast DLC.
- Not all Alpha Levels were deleted, however. Some of them were selected to be developed further, and those became the 15 levels we know today. Not all of them were Egypt levels though.
- One level was "IntroAndWaterfallCircle", later then renamed "DreamWaterfalls" (its music folder is named as that, also confirmed by Angelo its backup to be named as that as well) and then as "MoonMountains". There was also a level saved from the Lava Planet, that became "LavaCaves".
- LavaCaves was later decided to be scrapped, but it wasn't deleted. Later this map would be used again, as part of the TSE level "Land of the Damned".
- One Egypt level was retained, "CityObeliskYard". This level was developed further, getting a better, more detailed layout, but for unknown reasons, it was cut, maybe cause of the lack of time. Later this level was then retextured, and became "Tower of Babel".

This find actually makes me curious. Who knows how much of The Second Encounter is actually repurposed Alpha and Beta assets? (Especially knowing about the Flamer.)
As far as I remember, in some interview I read that FE had a Sniper in early build, but not 100% sure about that. The flamer, ghostbuster, pipe bomb, and a nuke ball had the most proves to exist (like old screens, code parts...). Anyone here knows it that Sniper information is true?
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NO, it isnt croteam told me about all the scrapped weapons. Ghostbustser Pipebomb Flamer and Lava Rocks Gun. The nuke ball was a alternate Cannon with a differend textures, there are allmost all of those in my remake. I found something far interesting.
-early mental
-2 levels which work just in Test 1 and a third bump level which is unlocked by removing and adding those.
-early beheaded guyz
-2 magazine scans from 1999 of serious sam, sadly those are on polish.

EDIT: those things were for various testings, with that came the broken ghostbuster model seen in those screens... with the description old murray probally had those.
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NO, it isnt croteam told me about all the scrapped weapons. Ghostbustser Pipebomb Flamer and Lava Rocks Gun. The nuke ball was a alternate Cannon with a differend textures, there are allmost all of those in my remake. I found something far interesting.
-early mental
-2 levels which work just in Test 1 and a third bump level which is unlocked by removing and adding those.
-early beheaded guyz
-2 magazine scans from 1999 of serious sam, sadly those are on polish.

EDIT: those things were for various testings, with that came the broken ghostbuster model seen in those screens... with the description old murray probally had those.
Yea, forgot about the Lava gun.

Well, as far as I remember you were supposted to beat Mental in first Serious Sam, so 'scrapped' him can be found somewhere in code/models/anywhere.

About these polish scans - PM them to me, I can translate them.
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:37 AM   #365   Add To Ignore List  
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Yea, forgot about the Lava gun.

Well, as far as I remember you were supposted to beat Mental in first Serious Sam, so 'scrapped' him can be found somewhere in code/models/anywhere.

About these polish scans - PM them to me, I can translate them.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:53 AM   #366   Add To Ignore List  
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I noted this from a while back, just wanted to how thi... it has some screens and infos... i was awiable to get the test from hose screens on a page, now lts see does it work!
http://web.archive.org/web/200008160...erious_sam.htm

i fund a working link on a other page, the data is brroken, it has just a gro file, thts it
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Here You are working link to SS test 1 demo

http://web.archive.org/web/200008191...mo/samtest.zip

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that's the one which stops after 1mb of download, that link doesnt work but i manage to find a other one and capture a real build...
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That's just Test 1.

Also, because Kazuya won't provide a link. Here you go. http://drop.4o4.nl/samtest.zip (PublicTest1_006_95t31y3)
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That's just Test 1.

Also, because Kazuya won't provide a link. Here you go. http://drop.4o4.nl/samtest.zip (PublicTest1_006_95t31y3)
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So what is it then, if not Test 1???
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So what is it then, if not Test 1???
A earlyer build, as from the screenshots and stuff, it might be a 005 build... (the one i love thekazuya005)
-it seems that the levels are- technology test, karnak (big one), and such, i got varius media stuff with that!... sadly its all broken, i managed to open some media stuff, but not the gro file which is the only game conected thing which comes with it, i asked "Bug" magazine redaction, maybe they have it!
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I don't think Bug is connected to Serious Sam or Croteam in any way. But if it really is 005, does it have retro shotguns and some other shit?
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Well, the one that stops at 1 MB is also the 006 build.
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Well, the one that stops at 1 MB is also the 006 build.
im not talkinga bout that.
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A earlyer build, as from the screenshots and stuff, it might be a 005 build... (the one i love thekazuya005)
-it seems that the levels are- technology test, karnak (big one), and such, i got varius media stuff with that!... sadly its all broken, i managed to open some media stuff, but not the gro file which is the only game conected thing which comes with it, i asked "Bug" magazine redaction, maybe they have it!
Can you send me the files? I could try and repair it, and/or see what's possible to extract from it.
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I can, but it's not possible I tried every method... just the videos, the pictures, docs, and other media open, which are from a other pack, then there is that broken file which opens to a gro file, but i cant do anythng with it
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Didn't you know? I'm a wizard.
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Install 7-zip 32-bit and 64-bit version. Right-click the gro file, and open it as archive.
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i did all, IT DOEST WANT TO OPEN, NOR ANYTHING! I was willing to post some stuff to angelo though but he went away

EDIT: what you wrote is so banal, that a 3 years old kid can do that though. that's the first i tried
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I told you to mail it to angelo@angelog.nl
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Well if you're going to be rude about it, I am not going to tell you how to crack open that file.
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i dont need to know, because it doesnt mean to me allmost nothing, im just happy because i found it nothing more.
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Why even ask about it then? Are you going to share the files?
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Of course he isn't. Don't be silly.
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Yes I am... just wait for it lol
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Yes I am... just wait for it lol
Just like we wait for your mod which is always almost ready?
Another year, or maybe two.
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not even half a year passed since i started working on it, seems that you ppl really got high rating about it
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In half a year Finzy perfected and released Glade of Dreams with betas and screenshots and a kickass trailer.
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Listen to Pan right here Kazuya, really you should send share yer files. ANGELOS A F*CKEN WIZARD XD

@Angelo hw did u make yer email host name????
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