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Old 05-18-2005, 02:22 PM   #1   Add To Ignore List  
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Default Stephen hawking loses bet.

concedes that black holes don't nessisarily destroy all traces of what falls into them.

http://www.space.com/news/hawking_bet_040716.html
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Uhhh . . . I don't think he ever claimed that black holes (or anything else) can destroy matter. Not unless he slyly rewrote the whole of Einsteinian nuclear physics without my having noticed.
Anyway, if he is right and matter (or information) can escape . . . that's some crazy shit right there. Cool though.
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fixed.

i had a brain fart.
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I can only imagine the extent of the answer that he came up with, having devoted (as the article noted) most of his life to this question. I found the introduction to his theory in the article interesting though:

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Hawking revolutionized the study of the holes when he demonstrated in 1976 that, under the strange rules of quantum physics, once black holes form they start to "evaporate" away, radiating energy and losing mass in the process.

Under this theory, black holes are not totally "black" because the vacuum of the imploding star lets out very tiny amounts of matter and energy in the form of photons, neutrinos and other subparticles.
I hadn't realized that Hawking had argued that black holes actually do let out very tiny particles of matter and energy. Though he had originally argued that the particles contained no information about the black hole itself, he now has changed that theory to say that they do. My question would be, if that's the case and only these minute particles can escape, how can that be utilized to get any of the "information" they carry?

I guess that this theory could have greater impact in the future, when technology has advanced enough.

If only he could prove that the movie "Black Hole" was based in truth, then my life would be complete.
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So black holes are emmiting exhaust and polluting the galaxy, it will never fly in court.
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Very old news.
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I wonder if Mr. Hawking's bet was the same as that of dear old Mrs. Gorsky
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The particles would be 1/2 of matter/antimatter particle pairs that form along the edge of the event horizon. Because these things form spontaneously and are pretty homogenous in character, they wouldn't theoretically be able to tell us anything if we studied them.

Apparently, he has found some reason to believe that such particles would form according to patterns determined by conditions within the event horizon, meaning that there could be observable patterns in the formation of the particles (or antiparticles) that would enable scientists to understand something about what is happening on the inside.

I haven't read anything else about this news but I can only assume that it's something along those lines.
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I thought this happened ages ago, and it was Hawking himself who admitted to losing the bet rather than the other guy proving him wrong.
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It was. As I said, way old news.
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i know, i just heard of it in a really old magazine.
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As I recall (from the book) he owes that guy a 5 year subscription to Private Eye magazine.
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actually, the payoff was the ultimate baseball enciclopedia.
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